Why would you be wearing a manipole? What on heaven's name is the purpose of this ridiculous vestment? Jesus never used one, the Apostles never did and they went out 40 years ago. Why bring this back? Whatever connection does it have to the celebration of the Eucharist? I say it no connection, and I've followed the ecclesiastical history of this most stupid piece of liturgical dress. Jason M
padre gonzales si, pequenos detalles. pero,brillo su fe, su amor a la misa tradicional, su obediencia,su fidelidad, su humildad y comprension de la necesidad, del hambre que sufre el pueblo de dios su cuerpo mistico. brillo su alegria, su amor, obediencia y fidelidad al santo padre. pero especialmente nos dio a cristo en la forma que el quiere sea dado y recivirlo asi dignamente como el lo merece. gracias, lo demas con la practica y buena voluntad se superara.!! mary
If you are going to complain at least spell maniple correctly. Your ignorance amazes me! The stupidity lies in those who have no understanding of liturgical ritual. Find yourself like-minded people who have been deceived by Satan.
Too bad a little bit of velcro could not be employed in this instance!
To prevent malfunctions, dresss/bridal shops often sell an adhesive that will temporarily keep clothing in place. Some people use duct tape (comes in all colors)for this sort of thing. A little piece can be folded in half so it becomes sticky on both sides. It's easy to remove when no longer needed.
"Before the festival day of the pasch, Jesus knowing that his hour was come, that he should pass out of this world to the Father: having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And when supper was done, (the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray him,) Knowing that the Father had given him all things into his hands, and that he came from God, and goeth to God; He riseth from supper, and layeth aside his garments, and having taken a towel, girded himself. After that, he putteth water into a basin, and began to wash the feet of the disciples, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded." -- John 13:1-5
The maniple may be likened to the towel with which Jesus gird himself and dried the apostle's feet, having come to us through the ages from this great event in the mandatum.
Prices are rising and inventories are low on all-things usus antiquor.
Supply and demand. The extra ordinary form economy is alive and very well!
I hope to purchase a couple of gothic vestments this week. I also priced out some economical cassocks.
I believe this is one aspect of the extraordinary influencing the ordinary. We priests, simply by celebrating both usages of the Latin rite, will unconsciously incorporate the sublime reverence of the older form. This is a good and holy thing.
The feedback which I have gotten from Friday evening's Mass all speak of the reverence, sacred silence, devotion, and spiritual attitude of the congregation and the sacred ministers and choir.
The ladies of the choirs at the regularly scheduled Novus Ordo wore their mantillas today. Several received Holy Communion kneeling after Mass,
Deo gratias.
(I believe I will mention this in a blog post for those who do not read the comments.
Usually maniples are kept in place with a small safety pin. Years ago at the time of the changes a young priest i Northern England went to the sacristy to vest. The Parish Priest walked in and noticed he had no maniple on. He said to him "no maniple no Mass." Incidentally a maniple is a Roman hanky. google it!
Well isn't that amazing - a little hanky on the arm. So there may be no liturgical connection whatsoever with this vestment. It was something that grew due to a runny nose. That's really how it came to be there and I thought it was of great liturgical signifcance. Let's hope that the inner sanctity of the priest will always be surpreme and not depend on a pinned-on-piece of cloth. Paul James.
Fr Loren Gonzales is a priest of the Diocese of Phoenix AZ currently shepherding a parish in Peoria. Fr Gonzales received his MDiv from the Franciscan School of Theology of the Graduate Theological Union, Berkeley CA. He was ordained to the presbyterate by the late Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, + Most Rev Carl Fisher. He is a former member of the Order of Friars Servants of Mary (Servites). He has ministered in the Archdioceses of Denver and San Francisco, and the Dioceses of Oakland, Orange, and Tucson, where he has served the people of God as a catechist, campus minister, liturgist, musician, parochial vicar and vocation director. His an advocate of the Reform of the Reform.Two years ago he received faculties from the Bishop of the Diocese of Phoenix, + Most Rev Thomas Olmsted, to celebrate the Classical Liturgy according to the indult Ecclesia Dei. On September 14, 2007 Fr Gonzales celebrated a Missa Cantata in honor of His Holiness’ Motu Propio Summorum Pontificum. He celebrates the usus antiquor regularly. This blog, Overheard in the Sacristy, is inspired by his smattering of memoirs, Fifty Sophomoric Summers.
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Why would you be wearing a manipole? What on heaven's name is the purpose of this ridiculous vestment? Jesus never used one, the Apostles never did and they went out 40 years ago. Why bring this back? Whatever connection does it have to the celebration of the Eucharist? I say it no connection, and I've followed the ecclesiastical history of this most stupid piece of liturgical dress. Jason M
padre gonzales
si, pequenos detalles.
pero,brillo su fe,
su amor a la misa tradicional,
su obediencia,su fidelidad,
su humildad y comprension de la necesidad, del hambre que sufre el pueblo de dios su cuerpo mistico.
brillo su alegria, su amor, obediencia y fidelidad al santo padre.
pero especialmente nos dio a cristo en la forma que el quiere sea dado y recivirlo asi dignamente como el lo merece.
gracias, lo demas con la practica y buena voluntad se superara.!!
mary
Jason,
If you are going to complain at least spell maniple correctly. Your ignorance amazes me! The stupidity lies in those who have no understanding of liturgical ritual. Find yourself like-minded people who have been deceived by Satan.
Father, forgive him, for he knows not what he says.
Jason,
Prodigal child:
Repent. Repent. Repent.
Your soul is in mortal danger.
Place yourself at the Foot of the Cross. Ask forgiveness for your sins. Be reconciled to the One, True Church of God.
Get yourself to a reverent, well-celebrated Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Receive the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar in the State of Sanctifying Grace.
He awaits you!
Hi Fr. G., Here is a link on info on maniples:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09601b.htm
The link has some info on how some keep it in place.
Too bad a little bit of velcro could not be employed in this instance!
To prevent malfunctions, dresss/bridal shops often sell an adhesive that will temporarily keep clothing in place. Some people use duct tape (comes in all colors)for this sort of thing. A little piece can be folded in half so it becomes sticky on both sides. It's easy to remove when no longer needed.
"Before the festival day of the pasch, Jesus knowing that his hour was come, that he should pass out of this world to the Father: having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And when supper was done, (the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray him,) Knowing that the Father had given him all things into his hands, and that he came from God, and goeth to God; He riseth from supper, and layeth aside his garments, and having taken a towel, girded himself. After that, he putteth water into a basin, and began to wash the feet of the disciples, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded." -- John 13:1-5
The maniple may be likened to the towel with which Jesus gird himself and dried the apostle's feet, having come to us through the ages from this great event in the mandatum.
Anony...thanks for the New Advent link.
Anony...Velcro and duct tape sound good too.
Good effort Father, I'm sure your mass was beautiful. By the way have you priced your new biretta lately?
Prices are rising and inventories are low on all-things usus antiquor.
Supply and demand. The extra ordinary form economy is alive and very well!
I hope to purchase a couple of gothic vestments this week. I also priced out some economical cassocks.
I believe this is one aspect of the extraordinary influencing the ordinary. We priests, simply by celebrating both usages of the Latin rite, will unconsciously incorporate the sublime reverence of the older form. This is a good and holy thing.
The feedback which I have gotten from Friday evening's Mass all speak of the reverence, sacred silence, devotion, and spiritual attitude of the congregation and the sacred ministers and choir.
The ladies of the choirs at the regularly scheduled Novus Ordo wore their mantillas today. Several received Holy Communion kneeling after Mass,
Deo gratias.
(I believe I will mention this in a blog post for those who do not read the comments.
Thank you mashcity for your comment.
Usually maniples are kept in place with a small safety pin.
Years ago at the time of the changes a young priest i Northern England went to the sacristy to vest. The Parish Priest walked in and noticed he had no maniple on. He said to him "no maniple no Mass."
Incidentally a maniple is a Roman hanky. google it!
Well isn't that amazing - a little hanky on the arm. So there may be no liturgical connection whatsoever with this vestment. It was something that grew due to a runny nose. That's really how it came to be there and I thought it was of great liturgical signifcance. Let's hope that the inner sanctity of the priest will always be surpreme and not depend on a pinned-on-piece of cloth. Paul James.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who have fallen under the deception of Satan.
Save your souls and repent before the Lord.
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